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  • George 1978
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    I heavily rely on online grocery shopping at the moment like I have done for the past few months, but I think that there will be a time when I will have to go back into a supermarket again - it will be interesting what the supermarkets say about it.

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  • amethyst
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    Spotted 3 young people 2 females 1 Male wandering round morrisons at 9.30pm no distancing bet the security didn't challenge them,another bored night let's go browsing round the store think not.I had already paid and out my stuff in the bags and they were just entering self serve with 1 item.I told the member of staff he said they not supposed to be browsing the store,and that nothing will ever get through to that student age group

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  • beccabear67
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    Well, nothing is worth being an absolutist over. If someone is not wearing a mask somewhere, even if it's required, the worst that should happen is they are politely barred entry or to leave equally politely if they have entered. If they aren't carrying a sign promoting not wearing masks or any of that. If someone has authoritative documents it would be the discretion of the business or space operators to accommodate them, but social distancing should be obeyed. There have been, usually young males, who have gone the wrong ways in aisles and not distanced, and worst of all coughed on items... that's more like someone throwing petrol on a fire in the blitz! I feel a lot better about churches protesting their need for fellowship if they are wearing masks and distancing, limiting contact, and some have. There is a definite distinction between the truly wreckless or aggressive and people just wanting to get on with things understandably. Seniors care homes have had to be ultra cautious and as absolutist as anyone but I think there should be cases for people who need contact. You do the best you can is all that should be asked and expected, nobody but the insane or malicious should be wanting anything else.

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  • George 1978
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    I am going to write to Tesco and Asda's Head Offices explaining that I have Asperger Syndrome, anxiety, and panic attacks (including photocopied evidence) and ask them if that is proof that I am unable to wear a face mask in a supermarket - it will be interesting what their replies will be.

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  • amethyst
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    Well if the anti maskers refuse to wear one in shops then stay at home,there is no excuse for the ones with so called health issues surely you could put up with wearing one whilst shopping.How about hospital staff that have to wear them for long hours.Pure selfishness no respect for other people,they are the ones that make this virus stay around for longer.

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  • beccabear67
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    Wow, had no idea France was like that! Sad times. Is something wrong with our educational systems? I would say I was taught a lot about critical thinking from reading older science-fiction and the magazines and fanzines in particular. There appears to be a lot of people who will take and swallow as whole truth something on a website that didn't exist a dozen or so years ago from a reporter who may not even use a real name. I think maybe they think they are being smart or more clued in than others while parroting things word for word uncritically. They 'believe' quickly more than having discerned over time, things sound right to their gut is something often mentioned, like being on a game show and guessing.

    Well, I hope we get these vaccines going among the elderly and vulnerable a.s.a.p. I'm seeing a lot of administrative desk job people, not front-line workers in regular contact, getting theirs and it's really bothering my late 70s aged mother! In Canada there have been non front-line doctors caught jumping the queue for their second shot; that's abuse of their position.

    If wearing a mask did nothing it wouldn't hurt anyone to wear them, what reason can they be giving other than childish petulance and disregard toward others? Well, I'll answer my own question... there are people with easily irritated skin conditions and a few with real psychological suffocation or binding phobias, but if they can wear clothing, I'm not really even sure about those exemptions. And even so, what about the clear screen that is away from the face.

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  • Cartimand
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    The whole anti-vaxxer thing, along with a stubborn refusal to wear a face covering, is far more prevalent in France than the UK.
    My (French) wife is in daily contact with her family over the Channel and several of them have stated they would refuse the vaccination. From what I've read in Ouest France, fewer than 50% of French would accept the vaccination.
    Even the French equivalent of the Test and Trace app ("Stopcovid") has had a wretchedly small take-up - far lower than ours.

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  • beccabear67
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    The English speaking world has been subjected to the most disinformation, both very deliberate and carried further by fringe 'true believers' who somehow think themselves smart while swallowing conspiracies and lies hook line and sinker as they used to say! Alternate realities are best left to science fiction, and one thing it's good for is the cautionary tale (so we don't have to actually live these grand visions).

    Just a few weeks ago a friend in the U.S. wrote that masks don't stop the virus, utterly misunderstanding (yet again I might add) the entire principle behind them and why surgeons and the like have worn them for decades during operations. This is after ten months of living with this situation someone can still get in a twist spreading a simplistic talking point from who know where. Well, wearing a mask can't harm anyone, but a lot of people not wearing them absolutely is proven to have. I hate learning things the hard way and more than once!

    We stay as safe as we can while doing the things we find necessary and best wishes to all, even the anti-maskers and anti-vaccers!

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  • amethyst
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    There were crowds out and about on Sunday walking along a beach in Tynemouth the car park was full,come off it they travelled by car for exercise which your not supposed to do.Sainsburys have said only 1 member of the family to shop which is a brilliant idea like back in March 2020.Morrisons have said no face mask no entry.B&Q should be click and collect only to stop customers from browsing I have been told they still take children and babies with them,what's wrong with people stay at home.

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  • Mulletino
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    Goes to show the differences in how it's being handled in each country. We (Queensland, Australia) had our first transmitted case for months last week, from a cleaner working in a quarantine hotel. Basically our borders are effectively closed but anyone coming back to the country has to spend 14 days in a quarantine hotel at their own expense, so this cleaner worked at one of these and caught the "UK strain" of COVID. As that one is highly contagious our government decided to have a three day lockdown, where we could only travel if absolutely necessary and you HAD to wear a mask outside, even alone in your own car or excercising. This was to allow for contact traccing and to avoid spread. We all did this and there was only one further transmitted case which was the cleaner's partner, who had been in lockdown since the cleaner was found to be infected.
    Our "lockdown" has finished but we're required to wear masks for a further 10 days just in case. We had another case, but that was someone who was infected in Victoria, then qurantined and they let her go without testing and then told our government she'd arrived here, so she was tested and found positive! Pretty crappy of them tbh, they'd had months of serious lockdown because they couldn't control their cases, seems they were trying to nobble our efforts here.

    Been keeping up with the COVID news in the UK as my family are still there, I can't believe there are still idiotic protestors denying this thing is real. I really hope I get to hug my parents/brother/sister again one day.

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  • Richard1978
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    My wife has been trying to keep our trips out to a minimum & was right about not seeing anyone over Christmas as this seems to have caused a spike in numbers.

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  • amethyst
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    Then there's the minority of deniers who still think it's a hoax or a bad cold,wake up this virus is going to be around in 2021 unfortunately even when most of the population have been vaccinated the ones who refuse it will keep on spreading it around

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  • George 1978
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    I correctly assumed that there would be more than 1,000 deaths in one day this week.

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  • beccabear67
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    Deadliest day of the virus in the U.S. yesterday, still people gathering in large numbers (cough) some of which I know made ITV, Sky and BBC news. Here there's been a scandal of politicians who would tell people not to travel and then went off to vacation in some warmer country! Land crossings at borders would stay closed month after month but so often not the airways. effectively one law for the privileged and wealthy and another for the rest of us poor shlubs. It does a lot to undermine following orders when those issuing them aren't practicing what they preach, makes me sad more than angry, this whole thing is sad in how most of us should've been more prepared, informed and able to make better decisions. I guess a few places like South Korea and New Zealand have done about as well as you could ask. This virus can be deadly and even when not it can cause lasting damage to health, and hopefully the vaccines are going where and to whom most needed. I am content to wait for awhile, after my two late seventies parents of course, and after direct health care and infrastructure jobs people. Not so thrilled seeing a politician or desk person getting them, but they say they'd be criticized if they didn't and that it might make some doubt the safety. That is a self-inflicted situation right there from conspiracy type websites.

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  • darren
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    very sad to hear things have been bad for u and ur family.

    But after every dark cloud a rainbow comes.
    U could say the vaccines are that rainbow


    Originally posted by adamscott View Post
    this is a serious topic, everyone in my family has been ill, some family members - with very bad consequences. I doubt the pure biological origin of the virus, and i hope that soon we will be given a vaccine ...

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