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    Where I grew up in Marple we could get grainy reception of all the Welsh channels.

    BBC1 & 2 Wales tended to have more opt-outs, & HTV often had a different schedule to Granada. S4C was the most different, having lots of Welsh language programming.
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    Amazing that there was more difference between London and the South on ITV, than there was between London and Scotland on BBC 1.

    How many of us who didn't live in Cornwall, Devon, Somerset, Dorset, or the Isles of Scilly wondered who or what Gus Honeybun was?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pensky View Post
    In 1982 we moved from Swaffham to Felixstowe (Suffolk). I remember one of the first things I did, after enthusiastically setting up the aforementioned CB, was to check the TV reception, and in addition to the intended Anglia TV, we received TVS (which had recently taken over from Southern), broadcasting from Dover and a really strong signal, all the time. And to my utter delight, I was able to pick-up Thames and LWT, albeit quite grainy.
    TVS had taken over the Bluebell Hill transmitter from the London region at the start of 1982 so prior to that Thames and LWT's reception would have been a bit better in parts of Kent - I know that Southern refused to show a networked film which was seen in London during its final week on air, but TVS transmitted it in lieu of Southern when they started, and so therefore Bluebell Hill viewers got to see the same film twice in a week.

    I am almost certain that one Thursday night in the mid 1990s I was manually tuning the living room TV for the sake of it and saw a very grainy signal from the other side of the North Sea which I never saw again - the odd thing was that the aerial in the roof was pointing to Waltham - one would have assumed that if it had pointed towards Belmont it would have had a better chance of that sort of thing happening. Around the same time we used to get Anglia, London ITV and even Meridian signals for a few minutes due to atmospheric interference - I correctly assumed that it would happen to the TV as earlier on in the day I found radio stations from Norfolk, London and Kent on my radio for an hour or so - one of the drivetime presenters on the radio stations in the capital even got a call from someone in the East Midlands telling them about it! They all disappeared soon afterwards though.
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    Thank you all for your memories about this, I've been really fascinated learning about the ITV region system and how it used to operate. It's so cool to have various points of views from viewers back then! One thing I am still a bit fuzzy about, more so than transmitter overlaps and atmospherically bounced signals, is: how did the BBC in say Newcastle differ from say what was on the air in St. Albans, or way up in Glasgow? I've seen how some BBC programs were/are made by BBC Cymru/Wales and BBC Scotland... do they all get shown U.K.-wide by the beeb? Were there programs made that weren't necessarily regional but shown only in one, or some areas by the BBC but not others, just as with ITV? I'm sorry if it seems funny to be more ignorant about the big licensed provider more than the old regional ITV.

    I have some published material about the histories of Granada, ATV/Central, and Tyne Tees... and some about the entire ITV system, I think the one I found out about for Yorkshire is a bit pricey as an out of print book or I'd have that as well. The one on Granada has a lot on the various franchise changes and amalgamations though. I know the least about Border, Grampian, and Scottish.
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    I wanted to add that I see opt outs are mentioned, and it sounds like there were London made BBC programs not shown by BBC Cymru/Wales at all, correct? And if I have got anything confused please correct me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beccabear67 View Post
    One thing I am still a bit fuzzy about, more so than transmitter overlaps and atmospherically bounced signals, is: how did the BBC in say Newcastle differ from say what was on the air in St. Albans, or way up in Glasgow? I've seen how some BBC programs were/are made by BBC Cymru/Wales and BBC Scotland... do they all get shown U.K.-wide by the beeb?
    Apart from regional news, Inside Out, and the regional segment of Sunday Politics, there wouldn't be any difference between Newcastle-upon-Tyne and St Albans - the former would be served by Look North (a different news programme to what serves most of Yorkshire, and also Lincolnshire and Humberside), and the latter would almost be served by London, (although Look East might be also available to residents in that area as well). However, Scotland has its own continuity and extra programmes, usually after the Ten O'clock News in addition to Reporting Scotland. I have Sky Digital and so therefore I can receive all he different BBC 1 regions.

    A lot of programmes made by BBC Wales are seen on BBC 1 and BBC 2 are seen within Wales, while Welsh language programmes are seen on S4C - a Wales only, Welsh language television channel seen in lieu of Channel 4.

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    Were there programs made that weren't necessarily regional but shown only in one, or some areas by the BBC but not others, just as with ITV? I'm sorry if it seems funny to be more ignorant about the big licensed provider more than the old regional ITV.
    Not all programmes are shown regionally are not necessarily about the area in question - in the 1970s and 1980s, a lot of imported series were shown regionally on ITV as it was not made by one of the ITV companies and so the scheduling had a "no overall control" in the schedules. On ITV, a programme on a national issue could be seen regionally, while on BBC 1 a regional themed programme could be seen nationally.

    Quote Originally Posted by beccabear67 View Post
    I have some published material about the histories of Granada, ATV/Central, and Tyne Tees... and some about the entire ITV system, I think the one I found out about for Yorkshire is a bit pricey as an out of print book or I'd have that as well. The one on Granada has a lot on the various franchise changes and amalgamations though. I know the least about Border, Grampian, and Scottish.
    Each ITV company is different and has a different way of doing things - this has got to do with several factors: A) The size of the company - small companies made fewer programmes for the network as they had limited resources; B) The area of the company - London, the Midlands and the North West have a higher population and so it generates greater advertising revenue, hence more programmes on the network, and also the fact that the south is more lucrative than the north; and C) the different attitudes that each company has - when Granada started up in the mid 1950s, they were a company which specified in cinemas and leisure, and television was just one arm of its empire, similar to Rediffusion and ABC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beccabear67 View Post
    I wanted to add that I see opt outs are mentioned, and it sounds like there were London made BBC programs not shown by BBC Cymru/Wales at all, correct? And if I have got anything confused please correct me.
    Most programmes were seen on BBC 1 in Wales, and Wales only missed out on repeats which the main BBC 1 had shown - programmes made in England are more likely to be seen in Wales rather than the other way round.
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    On the subject of regional BBC, it was never my thing.

    I was from an ‘ITV viewing family’ which is probably worth a separate thread by itself :-) so as a teen, my interest was regional ITV as it was so diverse and varied to the BBC, which by and large, was the same programming, except for the local news and some occasional regional programmes.

    But I do remember in the mid-80s in Felixstowe, receiving TVS via the Dover transmitter and I found the BBC1 local news programme (for Kent?) was called London Plus, so I assumed local news for the BBC meant London and the whole South East.

    And I remember London Plus being very different to BBC Look East or BBC Look North, which I was more used to. Not just because the news was different (London-centric), but the opening titles were ‘jazzier’ - I found a clip on YouTube with a younger Jeremy Paxman as presenter:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVsgE6PsGbo

    ITV also used to show a lot of imported American TV shows, which I loved, and each ITV region might have different episodes on at different times. This meant for those lucky enough to receive more than one ITV station, you could watch say ‘Benson’ or the ‘A Team’ etc, twice a day or more, different episodes sometimes, it was like having additional TV channels, and that was a big deal to me in the 80s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George 1978 View Post
    How many of us who didn't live in Cornwall, Devon, Somerset, Dorset, or the Isles of Scilly wondered who or what Gus Honeybun was?
    Yeah, I well remember Gus Honeybun on TSW at teatime. I had some pals at Plymouth Poly in the late 80s, and there was a thing for students to write in and get Gus to jump up and down on his 'magic mushroom' which amused us no end :-)

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    Thanks for the extra info. I think I have a fairly intricate grip on ITV and Channel 4 but there were some things about the BBC I wasn't sure about... until now, thank you! Imagine if there'd ever been offshore pirate tv like there was radio for awhile for another layer? I think the U.K. had a very unique system which evolved and led to a lot of great programs being created and realize that a lot of this was lost through mergers and simplification. De-regionalization is like one size fits all and I'm glad if there are still some differences.

    When I think of imports I seem to first think of things like The Singing Ringing Tree, The Magic Roundabout and Hector's House! Other than those, on DVD I have Babylon Berlin the German series aired on Sky, but I'm sure I'm missing out on a lot. Oh, I did see some of the original Humans sci-fi series in Swedish with subtitles, but then they remade it with English actors and I was happy to stop squinting to read.

    I suppose the Australian shows are imports, but I don't really think of them that way. Of course some of them are co-productions.
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