Life in Britain in the early 1980s

[George 1978]

In my day, we still had the middle-aged teachers who were a few years from retirement (my own teacher retired two years after I left), but I would guess that many of them had been inside a classroom professionally for at least 20 years or so. These days, it's more water than milk.

Assembly, (or "Service" as our Headteacher liked to call it), was usually twice a week with a professional pianist coming in on Friday mornings (the HT herself used to tinkle the ivories herself on a Wednesday morning or whenever), and even in 1983-1985 the feel of the place could have came from the 1950s.,although the school seemed to have "opened" in 1970 where it had another name prior to that and was already a school. However, I know at the 1995 reunion I went to, there were a couple of former pupils who were there in the 1950s, and so it was only 25 years of the school having its present name and not the foundation of the school.

[Arran]

I started Infant School in 1983 (the Nursery part a year before) - we still had the Joyce Grenfell-stereotype of teachers in the school, as well as the small sized bottles of milk (ironic that the "milk snatcher" as she was called over a decade before, was by then, PM).

They had the small sized bottles of milk at my primary school in the 1990s after Margaret Thatcher had left Parliament. I have known people who had cartons of milk back in the 1980s, so the bottles may have been localised.

The teachers were more modern though.

[George 1978]

Fair enough, but it is interesting that Granada and Yorkshire both won in 1980 and they produced soap operas for the ITV network, while Crossroads survived ATV becoming Central. Most of the changes in both 1980 and 1991 affected the south of England, probably because of the cutthroat competition in the south as well as incumbents bidding too high.

I cannot think of a programme that Southern made which was continued by TVS - the closest I think of was How was made by Southern and revived as How 2 in 1990 by TVS before Scottish TV took it over. I know that Out of Town and other Jack Hargreaves programmes continued on Channel 4, and Worzel Gummidge was repeated on Channel 4 on Sunday mornings in 1987 (Jon Pertwee appeared on TV-am around that time in order to promote it).

[Arran]

I don't think so - I think of Coronation Street being axed as being the same probability as a serving Prime Minister losing their seat in a General Election - I cannot imagine it happening. Soaps seem like survivors in things like that.

An ITV programme contractor that lost in the 1980 franchise round was finished as a broadcaster.

It's unlikely that Granada would have continued as an independent producer of Coronation Street if it lost to Merseyvision. ITV programme contractors in the 1980s generally produced their own programmes rather than bought programmes from an independent production company, unless they were foreign programmes, and C4 was still a few years away.

Southern ceased all production after TVS took over, although certain programmes from their archive were shown on C4 during the 1980s. Very few Southern programmes were continued by TVS.

One factor that stood in the way of Merseyvision winning was heavy trade union powers in ITV. A winning programme contractor had to, by law, take on all the technical staff (like cameramen and engineers) from the ousted incumbent. That would almost certainly mean having to move into the Granada TV studios in Manchester although they wouldn't have been able to systematically continue producing Coronation Street as Granada has rights to the programme.

TVS bought the TV studios off Southern along with a piece of land in Maidstone.

[George 1978]

I remember opened another studio at the Albert Dock in Liverpool in the mid 1980s so they wouldn't be so Manchester-centric.

I last visited in 2004 for the day and the floating weather map had gone by then - I might look again as I will be staying there at the end of August.

[George 1978]

True, but Coronation street would probably have been axed.

An ITV without Granada in the 1980s would have been almost as unimaginable as an ITV without Thames in the 1980s, even if Granada was disproportionately Manchester centric.

I don't think so - I think of Coronation Street being axed as being the same probability as a serving Prime Minister losing their seat in a General Election - I cannot imagine it happening. Soaps seem like survivors in things like that.

Even Croissroads survived ATV when the became Central - I have a feeling that Central didn't want to continue it but had to, and it survived another six years. Although Thames decided to stop showing Crossroads when they started in 1968, but viewers and even Harold Wilson protested and it returned in early 1969.

As Richard has just mentioned above, I assumed that is why Granada opened a studio near the Albert Dock in Liverpool - to be less centric towards Manchester. This Morning (the floating weather map, remember that? - although not the man who used it of course), and Granada Reports were based there from 1986 onwards.

Don't forget that prior to 1968 they also had Yorkshire TV's areas (with exception of East Riding as it was called then and Lincolnshire which was part of Anglia's area), and Yorkshire was founded on the eastern side of the Peninnes because Granada was biased towards the western side. I will be visiting Liverpool at the end of August so I might see for myself then.

[Arran]

If Granada had lost, their still had their TV Rental business to fall back on a la Rediffusion, and they still owned motorway service stations and other leisure businesses.

True, but Coronation street would probably have been axed.

An ITV without Granada in the 1980s would have been almost as unimaginable as an ITV without Thames in the 1980s, even if Granada was disproportionately Manchester centric.

[George 1978]

Merseyvision and North West TV were completely separate companies.

I have a cynical view that Granada was undefeatable at a franchise round because of Coronation Street. If Granada lost in 1980 then that could have been the end of Coronation Street. If Granada lost in 1991 then Coronation Street would probably move over to Sky in 1993.

Granada was a conglomerate in the 1980s that even owned motorway service stations.

If Granada had lost, their still had their TV Rental business to fall back on a la Rediffusion, and they still owned motorway service stations and other leisure businesses.

[George 1978]

What were schools like during the early 1980s?

I started Infant School in 1983 (the Nursery part a year before) - we still had the Joyce Grenfell-stereotype of teachers in the school, as well as the small sized bottles of milk (ironic that the "milk snatcher" as she was called over a decade before, was by then, PM).

I returned to the school in 1995 for a 25 year reunion and gave as many antidotes as I could remember then - when I started originally it was a huge change aged 4-5 to come from a home environment and into this place full of adults and kids who were strangers to me - and they always said "never talk to strangers"... And I was used to the toilet at home that one had the odd "accident" while I was there.

[George 1978]

One notable loss was the current affairs programme This Week (previously known as TV Eye) that was originally produced by Associated Rediffusion back in 1956.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_W...6_TV_programme)

It was a very prominent programme in the 1980s and could be considered as a national institution.

I was a huge fan of Rainbow (even though my age was in double figures by the early 1990s) and so Thames' loss was a big blow there as well.

But, it just shows that This Week being axed was the start of dumbing down on ITV - if Thames made a soap opera in the same vein as Coronation Street, you can bet your life that it would have probably be still running today. The nearest they had to that was indeed The Bill which lasted another 17 years.

[George 1978]

Bluebell Hill opened in 1974. It never broadcast Associated Rediffusion or ATV.

I wondered as they broadcast London region programmes first whether they were around from day one.

[Semi42]

What were schools like during the early 1980s?

well, I left school in 1980 , signed on for unemployment benefit as soon as I walked out the gates after my last o level exam ,as my employment as an apprentice didn’t start until September.
I got 40 quid a fortnight , half went to my mum and half of that , she put in a bank account for me.
id never been so rich! I had a tenner a week to spend on anything I wanted (usually records or guitar strings)

very few pupils stayed on for 6th form , there was maybe 3 or 4 in our school.
calculators were not allowed in exams , no such thing as IT studies.
Some subjects at school were only available to certain student grades. I was in the top level but unable to take car maintenance class.
there was home Ec (cookery) ,needlework class and childcare class for the girls.
boys done metalwork , woodwork, tech drawing. Would be seen as sexist now but was the norm then

[Arran]

What were schools like during the early 1980s?

[Arran]

Thames managed to keep on making The Bill and a few other shows for years after losing their franchise.

One notable loss was the current affairs programme This Week (previously known as TV Eye) that was originally produced by Associated Rediffusion back in 1956.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_W...6_TV_programme)

It was a very prominent programme in the 1980s and could be considered as a national institution.

[Arran]

I assume that Merseyvision was nothing to do with North West TV that Phil Redmond founded to bid against Granada in 1991 and lost (failed the quality test, apparently), probably because of safeguarding Coronation Street - I say this because it had a similar name to Mersey TV in which Redmond made Brookside and Hollyoaks for Channel Four. .

Merseyvision and North West TV were completely separate companies.

I have a cynical view that Granada was undefeatable at a franchise round because of Coronation Street. If Granada lost in 1980 then that could have been the end of Coronation Street. If Granada lost in 1991 then Coronation Street would probably move over to Sky in 1993.

Granada was a conglomerate in the 1980s that even owned motorway service stations.