Eccentric election candidates/political parties in the 70s/80s

[George 1978]

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I saw on YouTube some old programme about the number of minorities in Ealing, and they interviewed someone who would probably get locked up for his views nowadays. Back then it probably wouldn't have caused so much alarm, but these days one would risk prosecution for using such words. In the previous constituency I live in, there was a National Front candidate that stood in 1979, but since then, it had been void of anyone from the far-right.

Another thing that I don't like, regarding things like that: with regards to the far-right, one thing that bothers me is the phrase "British National" when used to refer to British citizens, and I am rather surprised that BBC News refers to British people overseas like that because I have always associated the phrase "British National" with the BNP, simply because I would associate the word "Conservative" with the Conservative Party, "Green" with the Green Party, and so on - that is the equivalent of those words, apart from the obvious alternatives that is.

[Silver Bear]

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I came across this recently because some of the images were used in a BBC4 documentary about Skinheads: the programme itself focussed on the original roots of Skinhead culture in black music, in particular the connections with Ska and Two-Tone. The National Party (not the BNP) programme below from 1976 might be of interest to Arran - and to any Lancashire members of this Forum.

watch-the-national-party-1976-online

[Arran]

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BME (as if all ethnic minorities were the same).

Have a read of this one:

https://forums.doyouremember.co.uk/t...lack-community

I think the attempts to group together minorities is to try & create a united front against the far right.

Whilst failing to realise that different minorities have conflicts of interest and don't always get on well with each other.

[George 1978]

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Keith Vaz: don’t you mean Jim the washing machine salesman!

Pardon? Not sure I get that one.

[Richard1978]

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We’ve got right-wing political correctness with the Mail accusing people of being ‘traitors’ etc., and left-wing political correctness where even modest criticism of extreme feminism is ‘sexist’ and we are lumped into artificial groupings like LGBT (even though none of these ‘letters’ have anything in common with each other) and BME (as if all ethnic minorities were the same). Genuine liberal reforms are very positive: thanks to New Labour I could have a civil partnership and thanks to David Cameron I’ve been able to marry my long-term partner). But political correctness is illiberal and an attempt to shut down discussion.

I think the attempts to group together minorities is to try & create a united front against the far right.

[Arran]

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The problem with Labour today is that they have to simultaneously appease a diverse and disparate group of people with conflicting interests. Old Labour died in the late 1980s following the decline in heavy industry. NuLab was based on personality and populism which died when Blair disappeared from our TV screens.

Labour are also badly split on the EU and this will bedevil the party until at least 2030.

[Silver Bear]

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It's what happens if you let the right wing media get out of control, nearly 40 years of the tail wagging the dog.

We’ve got right-wing political correctness with the Mail accusing people of being ‘traitors’ etc., and left-wing political correctness where even modest criticism of extreme feminism is ‘sexist’ and we are lumped into artificial groupings like LGBT (even though none of these ‘letters’ have anything in common with each other) and BME (as if all ethnic minorities were the same). Genuine liberal reforms are very positive: thanks to New Labour I could have a civil partnership and thanks to David Cameron I’ve been able to marry my long-term partner). But political correctness is illiberal and an attempt to shut down discussion.

[Silver Bear]

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Many people are fed up with a Tory government who treats anyone with less than mid 5 figure income with complete contempt, especially as they led the right wing media dictate too much too them, along with too many working class "goons" who are fooled into voting against their best interests by playing the race card.

At the moment Labour are the only choice, & with a more centre ground leader they would well ahead in the polls,

I have a lot of sympathy for that but I’m just not convinced by Jeremy Corbyn. He comes across as a very weak leader. For example, he was virtually silent during the Brexit referendum and didn’t do anything to try to reach working-class voters who were likely to suffer the economic effects of Brexit (short term or long term). Then there was Shami Chakrabarti, who demanded (and got) a seat in the House of Lords after writing a very weak report on anti-Semitism. And in the last week, a real leader would have stepped in after the suicide of Carl Sergeant and taken a stand against a crazy witch hunt where people are not even told what they are being accused of! Instead he just hid behind ‘correct procedure’.
Weak, weak, weak.

There was a fair amount to be said for the pre-Thatcher ‘One Nation’ Tory Party which had a social conscience (and cared about the environment) but I can’t see them returning to that approach soon. A decent Centre party (not the Fib Dems) would be a good thing - and I would also like to have a fair voting system which didn’t rely so heavily on a few marginal seats.

[Silver Bear]

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I can understand why they reduced the deposit threshold in 1985 - quite a few Labour candidates lost their deposits in 1983 - Keith Vaz was one of them, and ironically enough, most of them would have saved their deposit if they had got the same percentage at the 1987 General Election.

Keith Vaz: don’t you mean Jim the washing machine salesman!

[Arran]

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They sort of ... rose without trace, in the sense that they didn't 'do' anything with their MEPs and Council seats. Unlike the Liberals in the 70s, they didn't get into community politics in a big way. They had only one idea (race and immigration) and that didn't translate into practical policies. I suppose the current emphasis on the 'white working class' is a lasting legacy, taken up by Ukip and the Brexiteers. Last time I looked - and I admit that I see this through an urban and specifically London lens - the working class was not just white, but very likely to be black or mixed race. In fact many working class areas are far more multi-ethnic than middle-class suburbs.

The BNP got into community politics in a big way. Maybe not in London but out in several provincial towns and cities they were serious committed to council elections with local activists door knocking in the cold and the rain campaigning on 'cracked pavement' local issues as well as immigration. Think about Sandwell, Burnley, Stoke, and Bradford to name a few. They even had (surprise?) victories in Derbyshire, Staffordshire Moorlands, Leicestershire, and Broxbourne in Hertfordshire.


Demographic changes in society mean that old broad class based politics is dying and identity politics is likely to be the way forwards. People tend to associate themselves with others who share their culture and interests rather than their social class. Round my way working class Muslims rub shoulders with Muslim doctors and accountants in the mosque but they do not rub shoulders with white non-Muslim working class English folk in the pub. The same working class Muslims watch Islam channel or Peace TV alongside the Muslim doctors and accountants rather than Eastenders and X-factor that the white non-Muslim working class English folk watch. White non-Muslim middle class English folk seem to hold the view that you are not middle class unless you drink wine on a regular basis but the Muslim doctors and accountants don't drink wine so are they middle class or not? Huge disparities in wealth and status are undeniable but there are times when I think that the traditional class system is a very English mindset that does not really apply to people who are part of certain other communities. Working class unity and solidarity are now the dreams of people who are living in the past.

BTW, I have always wondered if Nick Griffin is really an obese woman dressed as a man. He looked a bit 'non-binary' and had a high-pitched voice with a slight nasal twang: in fact he was an almost exact soundalike for Caroline Wyatt, who used to be the BBC's Defence and then Religious Affairs correspondent.

I cannot prove this but both myself and my mother suspect that Nick Griffin, aka Nick Gri££in and Griff Nickin, was an agent of the Conservative Party deliberately out to wreck the BNP when the Conservatives return to power. Hint: have a look at his father Edgar Griffin who was a long standing member of the Conservative Party and a high degree Freemason.


Even more sinister is second in command Simon Darby, aka 5IMon Darby, who is suspected to be a state agent. I find it strange how such a mediocre Nationalist, who talks about nothing but computers and wildlife, rises to deputy leader in such a short a space of time. Nobody knows where he gets his money from or how he managed to afford his grand house in Cannock. All attempts to find his upholstered furniture business in Dudley have been unsuccessful. Richard Barnbrook told a friend that Simon Darby ran a metal ores business but there has been no sign of this either.

[George 1978]

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I can understand why they reduced the deposit threshold in 1985 - quite a few Labour candidates lost their deposits in 1983 - Keith Vaz was one of them, and ironically enough, most of them would have saved their deposit if they had got the same percentage at the 1987 General Election.

[Arran]

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Though almost straight after UKIP stole their ideas, & now the Tories have borrowed from UKIP, though it's not worked as well as they hoped.

UKIP were soft as butter on immigration back in the early 2000s. Anybody who dared to question the government's immigration policy or claim that immigration is too high was suspected to be an infiltrator from the BNP. It's not clear whether UKIP toughened up their stance on immigration because they had realised that immigration genuinely was too high or whether they were worried about the rise of BNP support on the back of public sentiment about immigration.

UKIP seem to have been similar to the BNP at local level, i.e. they did bugger all when they were elected and so didn't build up any local loyalty. And Paul Nuttall was a bit of a pound shop version of Farage.

UKIP were always weak at local level and their members were unenthusiastic about local politics because most of them joined to free Britain from the EU rather than deal with mundane matters like grass verges and blocked drains.

[Richard1978]

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UKIP seem to have been similar to the BNP at local level, i.e. they did bugger all when they were elected and so didn't build up any local loyalty. And Paul Nuttall was a bit of a pound shop version of Farage.

I've heard a few amusing stories about UKIP & BNP elected candidates not having a clue what to do after being elected.

[George 1978]

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Before 1987 the election deposit was £100 but it was only returned to candidates who managed to win at least 12.5% of the vote.

The deposit was actually £150 from when it was introduced in 1918 right up until 1985.

[Silver Bear]

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Though almost straight after UKIP stole their ideas, & now the Tories have borrowed from UKIP, though it's not worked as well as they hoped.

It's as I mentioned before the fringe parties can get a boost if they push an idea the main parties won't touch, but hen they do the fringe ones fade away.

UKIP seem to have been similar to the BNP at local level, i.e. they did bugger all when they were elected and so didn't build up any local loyalty. And Paul Nuttall was a bit of a pound shop version of Farage.