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    I was funnily enough remembering his Rivers of Blood Speech....true, I wasn't born back at the exact time he made the infamous speech, but his name and whom he was an ever present topic in our house. Speaking as the son of immigrants who came to a UK rife with the strength of Powells words, a National Front emboldened by his words and a UK being transformed by mass non white migration to the UK.

    To be honest, while he was an MP of a major party addressing the 'issue' I feel MP's of the current ruling parties need to be open about it now. Thus addressing the plebian, working class, and especially red top reading Whites whom live in the economicially bad areas that were once the industrial working class heartlands eventually end up voting BNP for as they 'don't feel represented'....

    However, I am always feel his speech also reeks of the hypocrisy of White majority society. I feel, and have always felt as a non White all this tosh about 'we are becoming 2nd class citizens in our own country, we are going to be the minority' etc etc. But it has always been ok for the majority to emmigrate, eat foreign 'muck', have non whites do all he rubbish jobs that whites feel beneath them. Jobs like cleaner, road sweeper etc got replaced by the MacJob, the foreign nursing home worker. In the past, where were the white bus conductors, doctors, nurses etc when Powell, as Health Minister engineered non white commonwealth workers to come over here and fill the job market? Were there so many jobs for all Whites that the UK really needed these immigrants? No, not really, many Whites of working to lower middle class had moved up the social ladders...

    Yes, some of Powells speech has chilling reason to it. Even I admit it. But conversely as an immigrants son, I see the hypocrasy of it: if the UK did eventually begin enforced non white repatriation I'd go of my own free will. But I feel that ALL doors should close then: and in the basest way possible heres a mandate: on foods from foreign climes, no holidays for Whites to non white lands, no importation or exportation from one land to another, no intermixing, no sexual relations between white/non white etc, etc. Would White UK like that? Doubt it-especially from the point of view of the workforces, foods, holidays etc. I feel speeches like Powells do highlight the double standard of life here. I feel the real problem is perhaps the 'we are English, we are the best' mentality derived itself from times of Empire, and still remains. I think some beliefs of many misinformed people come from the lack of Govt intervention in current terrorism, Muslim extremism, and an overly pretentious rhetoric in fear of insulting militant Islam - and people, of all races grow sick of that including myself...Personally, I actually feel Powell was wrong on one thing: the whip hand IS still in the White mans hand, all the best jobs are still held by White men and women here and they in turn only hand new jobs to other Whites, because they identify with them. I should know from personal experience - the countless times I've been interviewed by White bosses and end up seeing offices only populated by whites, the best bit is seeing the look on an interviewers face when they initially meet me and realise the person they spoke to on the phone...was, not white, shock horror! Being told, 'we didn't think you'd fit in' is a brilliant way for a potential employer to say to a non white applicant: your not white, we didn't want you because of that, its just that the 'race relations act' impell us to be more polite about it all'...many coloured people will know what I mean.

    I sometimes wish I could see an alternate White only UK in 2012. Would it be any better....? Or would the subtraction of non whites simply magic away all the problems in the UK in one fell swoop?

    Yes, Ol' Enoch - on one hand, stating that immigration needs to be checked. On the other a clear indicator of the hypocrisy on the white majority UK.

    Apologies if the topic was contraversal....but you cannot 'do you remember Enoch Powell' without placing some rhetoric or context in a post about him can you.

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    Re: Enoch powell

    A very interesting post sf1378.........I work in a primary school and over the last 2/3 years we have seen quite a few children starting where english is their second language......from my own experience I have found it hard not only delivering the lesson but communicating with them in general ...........I feel the curriculum just doesn't cater for non-english speaking children which means they are disadvantaged and we are doing them an injustice..........Unfortunately in the classroom there just aren't enough hours in the day to give more one-to-one time to some children because if we do then it means there are some that end up going without altogether.

    A few weeks ago I saw a report which states that the majority of Big Issue sellers around the UK are immigrants .........how can being homeless, jobless and well under the poverty line in a foreign country be better than living in your native country?

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      Re: Enoch powell

      Originally posted by shilton dipper View Post
      A very interesting post sf1378.........I work in a primary school and over the last 2/3 years we have seen quite a few children starting where english is
      A few weeks ago I saw a report which states that the majority of Big Issue sellers around the UK are immigrants .........how can being homeless, jobless and well under the poverty line in a foreign country be better than living in your native country?
      Because living in a country where going a day without having somebody take your life away from you for whatever reasons is quite plausible from where some of these people come from. I think in these situations it's quite understandable why they'd choose that life in the UK over the one of their native country.

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        Re: Enoch powell

        Like Shilton, I also work in a primary school. But I agree with Sly's point. I have personal experience of helping an Iranian asylum seeker who would have been executed had he returned to his country.

        I can't align myself with anyone who has even the tiniest agreement with Enoch. And his wording.....'Whip hand', for example. What the *@$!.

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          Re: Enoch powell

          Originally posted by Marine Boy View Post
          I can't align myself with anyone who has even the tiniest agreement with Enoch. And his wording.....'Whip hand', for example. What the *@$!.
          Same here, as someome who has grown up with learning difficulties it's easy to identify with people who been bullied for being "different" & not being able to do much about it.
          The Trickster On The Roof

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          • #6
            Re: Enoch powell

            Look, I do court contraversy on here with some of my topics. Why? Because, lots of us of the ages 30 + remember the lesser rosier aspects of the nostalgic past from the 60s, 70s, and 80s, (me being 80s with the remnants of the 70s). We recall the aging war generation, many of us know of or remember Idi Amin and the Ugandan Asian influx, Rhodesian arrogance leading to UDI and Zimbabwe etc etc...so why not mention Powell? I hate the man. I hate his piercing eyes...(if anyone wants to know my true uncensored view on him, PM me, but be warned!)

            As a 'coloured' lad I know of and have experienced the dual didactic of British Society toward immigrants. Outward racism, 'go home N word, P word, etc, etc....Or the more cleverer, modern, covert method of: 'we don't have many of them living here, we don't have many Black, Asian etc friends, we like a curry, I've a friend - whose BLACK is the best, equating liberalist mentalities and being non racialist.

            Theres two things I see from Powells speech: the White MP who, as Health Minister felt privately he'd erred by having the shortfall of NHS jobs filled by former Commonwealth nationals due to they're bringing their families over, and as he saw it, a pestilential 'tribe' breeding and blackening the once all White Imperial England...he didn't like it. Ignorant Whites, well, racists followed his lead....and so its gone on.

            The other side of the coin, todays problems with the so called 'multi-cultural' failiure is, as I truly see it, White Englands fault from the start. Why? Well, you came over to Africa and Asia, built an Empire based on degredation, racialism, segregation, opium, tea and slavery, your people forced 'Christian' values onto Blacks of all kinds of differing racial castes and tribes in their native lands, or simply subjugated and suffocated ethnic divisions in peoples like the Hindu or Muslim or Sikh in India as 'they're all brown'...when the Imperialists were forced out, you left a time bomb that sure enough exploded into ethnic wars: the partition of India to my mind was the greatest revenge tactic the British gave them in 1948 - England couldn't have it, so they ensured it was given two chaotic opposing forces, something Ghandhi recognised well with sadness. Look at Africa, its mess, one ethnic caste against another, and the independence promises of prosperity soon evaporated under a new form of Fiefdom: the Black Leader, corrupted by power and happy to continue the slaughter of their own people and the malign intention to continue the generational illiteracy and non-education of their peoples - something the Whites happily allowed, former Rhodesia and South Africa are shining examples of how White Majority apartheid rule led to the destruction of their nations irrespective of a Black Majority finally coming to power...Then we move onto the influx of immigrants to the UK. Many Blacks from the Windrush era of the 1950s remember well how different the UK was to the indocrination of 'The Mother Country' Imperial England was when they came here: made to feel unwelcome, racism, no integration by Whites toward the Blacks...the same with the Asians by the 1960s and 70s...

            When 'my' people i.e. 'coloured' people came here, we did initially try to integrate: we cut our hair, learnt your language, did the jobs that needed doing or were felt beneath the Whites. But when White acceptance of 'us' didn't happen, when we say racist Police or NF marches or racists in neighbourhoods etc, experience led 'us' to turn inward, to become communities in ourselves as numbers naturally grew. Its no wonder the towns of Luton and Bradford or Oldham or Notting Hill etc had MASSIVE 'coloured' communities. We were good to do the jobs, but not good to mix with...the Imperialist attitude of 'White skins better' prevailed in the 70s, 80s, and 90s and still does...its actually no real surprise to me that many disaffected Asian boys become stupidly blind martyrs to the neo hardline Islamic racism of today...why? White Britain started it, all the way back to the corruption and beginings of Empire, an attitude that in many, and I hasten to add NOT ALL White people share - you only have to view youtube comments on race topics to see the true feelings many feel as they can be freer to admit them via the faceless, disconnected medium that is the internet....However, the current: 'Muslim Bomber' steryotype who burns the Union Jack adds fuel to the White ill feeling and so its all the more potent, poetic and cyclical...However, the honest line of thought is, the Blacks and Asians didn't 'start' this...the Whites did and it is my opinion that it will never go away, nor change. Europe in general has a habit of ostracising and blaming dark foreigners for their countries problems all the time and the current recession is a good example of this.

            I do wonder, if there comes a time when a racist MP becomes PM of England and 'we' are 'thrown out' will England run any better? I doubt it...you'll still have the same problems other countries have of crime, unemployment, social inequality, political corruption, war, etc, etc, but with all White faces causing the problems...and then they will all start blaming each other for the new societies ills...However, like I said before, if racism ever became the outward accepted viewpoint both politically and socially, the UK cannot have it both ways: foreign investment? Companies like India's Tata owning Jaguar Landrover? White emmigration? Foreign food in shops? No...if the Powell vision becomes a reality, you cannot have your cake and eat it: England should be for the Whites, with absolutely nothing dark or foreign in it, nor able to have their jolly hols abroad...rather bleak as a picture isn't it...and mark my words, there will be another Powell waiting in the wings of one of the 3 main parties...

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              Re: Enoch powell

              A very interesting post, sf1378.

              I get a lot of what you say but not all of it. I was going to go through it all, point by point, but then I thought, ...I come on here for the nostalgia chat. So I may leave it.

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              • #8
                Re: Enoch powell

                Originally posted by Marine Boy View Post
                A very interesting post, sf1378.

                I get a lot of what you say but not all of it. I was going to go through it all, point by point, but then I thought, ...I come on here for the nostalgia chat. So I may leave it.
                I know lol. I've been thinking about it meself and on the one hand its an interesting topic, on the other hand it is boring....The funniest thing I read on youtube about Powell was from a Russian who said 'Enochs right...Europe for Europeans', funnily enough, the Russians living in the UK, and hasn't yet realised that Russia is NOT part of Europe and isn't even on the same continent...lol.

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