Bbc2 the 70's

[agfagaevart]

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Ahem. I think you'll find I created the whole thread matey...

However, you are entitled to your opinon on the series of shows as is Shilton (whose comments in reply to yours have made me laugh ).

Yes we're all intitled to our opinions. But, simply telling me to change channels isn't the kind of reply I wanted. Some constructive criticism as you have done is okay.

I doubt everyone had lots of cash to spare. I think I'm more used to seeing programmes that are a bit more rose - tinted in terms of nostalgia - barring vox pops from the like of Stewart Maconie or Wayne Hemmingway or Katie Puttrick (see the older I Love...series the BBC did for examples ) whom I don't really like as their comments were a bit sarcastic in those shows from 10 years ago.

Money was tight for a lot of people in the early to late 1970s. Moving to Peterborough wasn't an option, as there was a recession and there were loads of low paid jobs around...Does that all sound familiar?
I also cant stand blooming Stewart Maconie!! Any BBC people reading this?? Please don't use this man anymore.

I think one of the best shows about the 1970s was Andrew Marr's History of Britain - he really nailed the mix of politics and social issues in that show when he focused on the 70s. Dominic Sandbrook took a far more 'over analysed' approach comparable to Mark Lawson or Melvyn Bragg...at some points I wasn't really even bothering to pay attention.

I agree wholeheartedly!! Andrew Marr's series was compulsive viewing - and more accurate.

I actually like seeing old films from the 70s more - take Richard Burton's 'Villain' from 1971 - were the roads really that empty of traffic back then? Thats something I mused over when I watched it the other night on dvd...The good thing about the show was like Shilton said - seeing old excerpts of days gone by.

There were traffic problems on main roads, but most streets were not jam-packed with parked cars as they are now. Cars are much cheaper and easier to buy nowadays thanks to easy credit - which you can still get BTW.

Thank you for an intelligent reply.

[the-peoples-poet]

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The Andrew Marr series' are fabulous, I have both those, but what I never understood about the way they were made was why did he do the latter part of the century first and the former part of the century second? Watching it in that order, when you have both series, makes little sense. I always watch them in the 'proper' order. I like my history in chronological order.

[ayrshireman]

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Andrew Marr's series was compulsive viewing - and more accurate.

Rubbish. I have a degree in History and I can remember noting nine mistakes in the first two episodes alone.
Marr is not a historian, Sandbrook is.

I enjoyed Marr's series, but too many people think its the last word and flawless.

As for Sandbrook, his postwar trilogy books (Never Had It So Good etc) are superb works, rightly acclaimed, and his book on 70's America is so good you forget he isnt American and didnt grow up in 70's America. Sandbrook is an excellent historian.

[sf1378]

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Yes we're all intitled to our opinions. But, simply telling me to change channels isn't the kind of reply I wanted. Some constructive criticism as you have done is okay.


Money was tight for a lot of people in the early to late 1970s. Moving to Peterborough wasn't an option, as there was a recession and there were loads of low paid jobs around...Does that all sound familiar?
I also cant stand blooming Stewart Maconie!! Any BBC people reading this?? Please don't use this man anymore.



I agree wholeheartedly!! Andrew Marr's series was compulsive viewing - and more accurate.




There were traffic problems on main roads, but most streets were not jam-packed with parked cars as they are now. Cars are much cheaper and easier to buy nowadays thanks to easy credit - which you can still get BTW.

Thank you for an intelligent reply.

I liked the last part best!

Anyhow, cheers. I think really, what we have now are essentially the same problems we had back then, just told in a different way - i.e. main issues - 'country going to rot, Unions blackmailing the Govt, Govt not doing a good job, inflation, unemployment, etc, etc - like I said, main/major issues - there are others too but I haven't gone into detail here...

[the-peoples-poet]

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Rubbish. I have a degree in History and I can remember noting nine mistakes in the first two episodes alone.
Marr is not a historian, Sandbrook is.

I enjoyed Marr's series, but too many people think its the last word and flawless.

As for Sandbrook, his postwar trilogy books (Never Had It So Good etc) are superb works, rightly acclaimed, and his book on 70's America is so good you forget he isnt American and didnt grow up in 70's America. Sandbrook is an excellent historian.

I enjoy DOminic on TV, he is very personable, as is Marr. The difference between these mentioned series is that I think Marr concentrated on what he writes about - politics - whereas Sandbrook concentrated not nothing very specific but covered a broad range of subjects. His slight obsession with housing though might mean he is a Daily Mail reader. But that's just me being cheeky.

My favourite historian is David Starkey. I know he can sometimes be a bit controversial but he is personable, likable and is a wonderful genius, in my eyes, of telling stories, esp when you read his books. Someone once said that he can paint pictures with his words and that is very right, every time I read one of his texts I can immediately picture in my minds-eye what he is describing and put myself in that situation. It also helps that he talks about my favourite era of history a lot and my fave person, Henry VIII or as I call him Beloved Henry, but that's just me being a bit romantic about things.

[sf1378]

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I enjoy DOminic on TV, he is very personable, as is Marr. The difference between these mentioned series is that I think Marr concentrated on what he writes about - politics - whereas Sandbrook concentrated not nothing very specific but covered a broad range of subjects. His slight obsession with housing though might mean he is a Daily Mail reader. But that's just me being cheeky.

My favourite historian is David Starkey. I know he can sometimes be a bit controversial but he is personable, likable and is a wonderful genius, in my eyes, of telling stories, esp when you read his books. Someone once said that he can paint pictures with his words and that is very right, every time I read one of his texts I can immediately picture in my minds-eye what he is describing and put myself in that situation. It also helps that he talks about my favourite era of history a lot and my fave person, Henry VIII or as I call him Beloved Henry, but that's just me being a bit romantic about things.

I've never heard of someone revering Henry VIII as 'Beloved Henry' but each to their own. It is amazing how much power absolute the Monarchy once had and Henry VIII truly represents that era..., I've read that Historians now believe his change from handsome Prince/King/Sportsman and Knight to obese 'tyrant' as they saw it was due to the injury he suffered after a particular jousting tournament, the one that nearly left him for dead. They attribute it to his head being injured. But we will never truly know. Starkey's programmes were very educational and informative, as were his 'rival' Schama's were...but I did feel both were in a sense posturing and posing, perhaps berating the viewer with their knowledge to a degree...

[zip55]

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A sign of the times I'm afraid ... even nostalgia's not what it used to be

[the-peoples-poet]

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Henry was injured in a joust and couldn't exercise properly after that, that certainly contributed to his weight gain, he had an enormous appetite. I think the tyrant label is a bit wrong, in my eyes, I don't believe he was a tyrant, he just knew what was best for the situations he was in, in a very political way. I think that his 'grumpiness' was just part of his personality, loads of people are a bit grumpy.I have always loved Henry, ever since I learnrd about him in school. He represents to me all the things a good leader should have and lots of things I believe in personally too.

[ayrshireman]

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I enjoy DOminic on TV, he is very personable, as is Marr. The difference between these mentioned series is that I think Marr concentrated on what he writes about - politics - whereas Sandbrook concentrated not nothing very specific but covered a broad range of subjects. His slight obsession with housing though might mean he is a Daily Mail reader. But that's just me being cheeky.

I think the BBC are at fault for not giving him a series to match his talents and depth.
Why didnt they commission a 10 part series for the 10 years?.
They can commission ten 'I love.....' programmes, so why not for a serious look at the decade?.

At the very least, a six or seven parter would have given him more depth.

[agfagaevart]

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Ahem, he created another which I merged

At least ask a boy, before you merge him.
Sheeesh!!
Buy me dinner too...

[agfagaevart]

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I enjoy DOminic on TV, he is very personable, as is Marr. The difference between these mentioned series is that I think Marr concentrated on what he writes about - politics - whereas Sandbrook concentrated not nothing very specific but covered a broad range of subjects. His slight obsession with housing though might mean he is a Daily Mail reader. But that's just me being cheeky.

My favourite historian is David Starkey. I know he can sometimes be a bit controversial but he is personable, likable and is a wonderful genius, in my eyes, of telling stories, esp when you read his books. Someone once said that he can paint pictures with his words and that is very right, every time I read one of his texts I can immediately picture in my minds-eye what he is describing and put myself in that situation. It also helps that he talks about my favourite era of history a lot and my fave person, Henry VIII or as I call him Beloved Henry, but that's just me being a bit romantic about things.

You like David Starkey do you? A man who blamed last year's London riots on "...black culture..." even though white middle class girls were also out looting on the streets. AND attempting to run over policemen in the process. This is an example of how historians like him, will conveniently change how events actually occurred - or simply get them wrong!

As for beloved Henry VIII, who created a religion so that he could get rid of yet another wife he tired of...Hmm..

[agfagaevart]

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As you say, things haven't changed much, except for clothes and technology, we're still in the same ol' s***!

[ayrshireman]

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You like David Starkey do you? A man who blamed last year's London riots on "...black culture..." even though white middle class girls were also out looting on the streets. AND attempting to run over policemen in the process. This is an example of how historians like him, will conveniently change how events actually occurred - or simply get them wrong!

I cannot abide Starkey as a person, but that is a grossly simplistic reading of what he said.

[sf1378]

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I cannot abide Starkey as a person, but that is a grossly simplistic reading of what he said.

You and agfagevart crack me up...

[agfagaevart]

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You and agfagevart crack me up...

Well, that's good.
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