School's being "rough"

[Jay Mc]

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I went to lower, middle , then upper

lower and middle schools were good but my upper school was an absolute hole but to be honest I loved the place some of my best friends were made there and we still see each other for a beer regularly

as for the school they knocked it down in the end and built a new academy on the site and ironically all my kids went there and its a brilliant school

[darren]

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Another thing is when u reach secondary school thats when kids from different primary schools join together.

I remember finding that quite scary at the time.

I could tell secondary school was rougher as the pupils where older and theyd challenge the teachers more.

But theres more chance of a school being rougher my secondary school was cause pupils from different primary schools join togEther.


YES UR CORRECT 80'S CHAV.


I GENUINELY FELT BAD FOR THE TEACHERS WHO GOT IT BAD ONE BEING MY FORM TEACHER IN MY FIRST YEAR OF SECONDARY.

SHE CANT HAVE BEEN MORE THAN IN IN HER MID TWENTIES.

[80sChav]

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This is so true Darren what you say - it was very much so at my First Secondary that certain older years could reduce the Teachers to tears for any given thing

Though at the same time, they could be very caring like a girl I knew in the 5th Year (when I was in the First Year) or rather she was in Year 11 and I was in Year 7 in today's currency and she would help anyone like straight up - no questions asked . It was the same for my Geography Teacher there - kids who knew how to be "creepy crawley's' with him to have him on side - but though a lot was bad they weren't really bad ... it was just the pace of life then and a truly different era to these day's - especially living in a small town that was still relatively small

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[darren]

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I know in my secondary school it was the kids who where in control.

The teachers where very soft.
Many times i saw pupils in my class assert there authority over the teachers.

Some teachers where stronger and others could not handle it.

Saw my secondary school teacher a lady in trs it got so bad.

[Arran]

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What a terrible experience. Sounds like Lord of the Flies with bits of Orwell's 1984 thrown in. I wonder what became of the "Library" lot? My guess is either Prison or they're probably members of The Illuminati by now.

Interesting that you mention the Illuminati.

There were two brothers that were both younger than me at my primary school who later (at different times) became members of the Library at my secondary school. They were the sons of a local doctor who also owned two Indian(!) restaurants and at some time he became a governor at my secondary school. Both his sons were quite gentle kids and anything but vindictive so it intrigued me how they became members of the Library when my own experience of it was a bunch of obnoxious and condescending bullies who enjoyed dishing out injustices. They seemed very out of place and it made me wonder whether there was more to the Library than meets the eye. Was it an outpost of the Freemasons or some other secretive society? I can remember that one of the governors during my time was the wife of fairly high ranking police officer.

[victorbrunswick]

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What a terrible experience. Sounds like Lord of the Flies with bits of Orwell's 1984 thrown in. I wonder what became of the "Library" lot? My guess is either Prison or they're probably members of The Illuminati by now.

[darren]

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Amazing to think uve learned another school in ur town was the same way as the one u went to.

Still not right tho that kids have this authority to over other kids.
Be better if one or two of the teachers had this authority.

I certainly in my time at school never knew of such things happening at my school.

i think that the library at my secondary school was far from unique on a national basis. I was informed about another secondary school in my town ruled by a similar group of kids called the vigils that also had a similar cosy relationship with the governors. Remember that school governors have the authority to sack teaching staff which probably explains why the teachers tried to pretend that the library didn't exist or didn't victimise kids.

It wouldn't surprise me if academies and free schools are more likely to be ruled by similar groups than an average secondary school because these are places where governors have more power and authority and they rule with a cliquey attitude. They don't like kids that don't fit in or are likely to give the school a bad reputation.

[Arran]

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I think that the Library at my secondary school was far from unique on a national basis. I was informed about another secondary school in my town ruled by a similar group of kids called the Vigils that also had a similar cosy relationship with the governors. Remember that school governors have the authority to sack teaching staff which probably explains why the teachers tried to pretend that the Library didn't exist or didn't victimise kids.

It wouldn't surprise me if academies and free schools are more likely to be ruled by similar groups than an average secondary school because these are places where governors have more power and authority and they rule with a cliquey attitude. They don't like kids that don't fit in or are likely to give the school a bad reputation.

[Richard1978]

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Very interesting I'm surprised no parents found out & blew the whistle on it.

[80sChav]

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They weren't prefects and there was no mention of the Library in any of the school publications or its website, so officially it didn't exist. It's best described as an unofficial gang of ultra privileged kids with a cosy relationship with the governing body (referred to as the Gobo) that existed to enforce order in the school through fear, intimidation, and hard knocks. A beating from the Library was an everyday phrase. It really was true that the Library caned kids or subjected them to physical violence in their room outside of the view of staff or other kids. I suspect that the Library put Y7 kids through initiation exercises in the first term to find out a bit about their personalities and what they fear the most.




The Library also had access to personal details of kids in the school records because it was so close to the Gobo. Therefore any member of the Library could read any kid's school reports; information about medical matters and SEN; letters sent home to parents; or even communication between the school and the Local Authority. A classic intimidation game was for a member of the Library to read out some of this personal information to a kid who was being given a bollocking. The knowledge that the Library had access to all your personal information was very effective at putting the frighteners on kids. They knew that if there were any problems in lessons or if they didn't do their homework and the teacher documented this in any of their school records or sent a letter home to their parents then the Library could find out and give them another bollocking.

This is truly mind blowing stuff Arran. I thought my first Secondary School had it all with Year 11s 'ruling" with a 'Red Hot iron" in certain way's but nothing even came close to this - it sounds truly horrific and barbaric. In saying this it can be perfectly "happen-able" as I knew a guy not long after leaving Secondary School who had story's that did border on a similar (and could have dated back to school even) but a lot questioned his story's though he was regardless a "Wise old Owl" who knew everything about matters in certain fields of life etc

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[Arran]

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They weren't prefects and there was no mention of the Library in any of the school publications or its website, so officially it didn't exist. It's best described as an unofficial gang of ultra privileged kids with a cosy relationship with the governing body (referred to as the Gobo) that existed to enforce order in the school through fear, intimidation, and hard knocks. A beating from the Library was an everyday phrase. It really was true that the Library caned kids or subjected them to physical violence in their room outside of the view of staff or other kids. I suspect that the Library put Y7 kids through initiation exercises in the first term to find out a bit about their personalities and what they fear the most.

The Library also had access to personal details of kids in the school records because it was so close to the Gobo. Therefore any member of the Library could read any kid's school reports; information about medical matters and SEN; letters sent home to parents; or even communication between the school and the Local Authority. A classic intimidation game was for a member of the Library to read out some of this personal information to a kid who was being given a bollocking. The knowledge that the Library had access to all your personal information was very effective at putting the frighteners on kids. They knew that if there were any problems in lessons or if they didn't do their homework and the teacher documented this in any of their school records or sent a letter home to their parents then the Library could find out and give them another bollocking.

[darren]

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Wow never heard anything like this before.
Being caned by another pupil.

prefects are normally selected cause theyre generally nice people .
but prefects at your school where the governors kids, that does not mean they are gonna be good prefects and as i can see it seems they where not.


only teachers surely can cane a pupil not pupils being caned by other pupils.

my secondary school did not have prefects but it was run by a cabal of y10 and y11 kids who were the sons and daughters of the school governors plus their best mates and henchmen collectively known as the library. The room where the books were stored was referred to as the learning centre or the school library. The library got its name from the shelves of books in their meeting room that were only for its members and not for anybody else to read. The library actually had two rooms when i was there - the outer room with tables and chairs where they would invite other kids into for a beating or a bollocking and the inner room which contained the bookshelves that was strictly out of bounds to anyone except a privileged few. The library were obnoxious people with vindictive attitudes who would beat up or dish out harsh punishments to kids for all sorts of minor trivial issues and the staff turned a blind eye to it.

A few weeks into the first term of y7 i had a note shoved into my locker demanding that i payed a visit to the library because of a minor misdemeanor. I ignored the request and threw the note in the bin. After failing to turn up i was effectively dragged into the outer room and caned by a y11 kid for disobeying an order of the library. I informed my tutor what had happened but nothing resulted from it. I'm sure the staff were terrified of the library and dared not challenge them because the school governors were behind it.

[Arran]

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My secondary school did not have prefects but it was run by a cabal of Y10 and Y11 kids who were the sons and daughters of the school governors plus their best mates and henchmen collectively known as the Library. The room where the books were stored was referred to as the learning centre or the school library. The Library got its name from the shelves of books in their meeting room that were only for its members and not for anybody else to read. The Library actually had two rooms when I was there - the outer room with tables and chairs where they would invite other kids into for a beating or a bollocking and the inner room which contained the bookshelves that was strictly out of bounds to anyone except a privileged few. The Library were obnoxious people with vindictive attitudes who would beat up or dish out harsh punishments to kids for all sorts of minor trivial issues and the staff turned a blind eye to it.

A few weeks into the first term of Y7 I had a note shoved into my locker demanding that I payed a visit to the Library because of a minor misdemeanor. I ignored the request and threw the note in the bin. After failing to turn up I was effectively dragged into the outer room and caned by a Y11 kid for disobeying an order of the Library. I informed my tutor what had happened but nothing resulted from it. I'm sure the staff were terrified of the Library and dared not challenge them because the school governors were behind it.

[Zincubus]

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This all reminds me of a joke I heard recently ...

" Aww mum , it was another terrible day , I was bullied , some lad took my dinner off me and one lad gave me a wedgy !!

Mum - " Well maybe teaching is just not for you ! "

[80sChav]

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I was so glad I went to School when I did and not in today's age - though from what I hear from Family relatives kids these day's are "made" to be friends and from what I can "read through the lines" about what's said is that they do look out for each other more"

I do wish this was so at my School and had had that - I mean even the Year 11s hated the Year 7s from their own School, but I think if another rival School's Year 11s intimdated etc another School's Year 7s now it'd be quite different as would ears from the same School too

80sChavY