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  • #16
    Re: Attempted burglary

    Originally posted by George 1978 View Post
    I think you are - it takes guts.

    It reminded me of when my family was experiencing anti-social behaviour from youngsters in the mid 1990s - stones thrown at windows, etc. My parents owned a shotgun (not sure if it was loaded, but we got rid of it eventually). My late father was so close to the end of his tether that he was so close to going after them and using it. I wouldn't have done that in fear of being dragged through the legal system.
    I dont really agree

    I think everyone would find the will power to stand in the way of a stranger trying to get upstairs where the family are .

    Id be useless with my fists but stood on the stairs with a bread knife in my good hand and the two foot piece of 2 x 2 in my left hand Im pretty sure that nobody is getting past me .

    Just got to hope they havent got a shot gun


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    • #17
      Re: Attempted burglary

      Originally posted by Zincubus View Post
      I don’t really agree

      I think everyone would find the will power to stand in the way of a stranger trying to get upstairs where the family are .

      I’d be useless with my fists but stood on the stairs with a bread knife in my good hand and the two foot piece of 2” x 2” in my left hand I’m pretty sure that nobody is getting past me .

      Just got to hope they haven’t got a shot gun


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      I think anger and adrenaline take over in such situations, as an ex supermarket manager i was often put in harms way but shoplifters would never get past me
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      • #18
        Re: Attempted burglary

        Originally posted by Zincubus View Post
        I don’t really agree

        I think everyone would find the will power to stand in the way of a stranger trying to get upstairs where the family are .

        I’d be useless with my fists but stood on the stairs with a bread knife in my good hand and the two foot piece of 2” x 2” in my left hand I’m pretty sure that nobody is getting past me .

        Just got to hope they haven’t got a shot gun
        As the person is a stranger that obviously one does not know on one's property, it depends on whether they are armed or not, so to be on the safe side, I would say that it takes guts to do so - agree to disagree if necessary, Zincubus. I also believe that it does take stamina and courage to be in such an incident - the April 2008 burglary was the closest that I have experienced to something like that. All incidents are different even if the same crime is being committed. The fact of the matter is that I didn't invite the burglar in for a cup of tea and a McVitie's digestive - he (or she) was trespassing on private property and they were not invited in and play bailiff to take the family silver and the colour TV set. As a homeowner, one also has to play security guard to keep one's property intact.

        There is the "self-defence" angle and there is the "frustration" angle - Tony Martin represented the latter of the two mostly as he had been burgled over 30 times and he was at the end of his tether - I can understand how bitter and angry he was, and my sympathies were with him as because I also live on my own due to one thing and another, and I can understand the fact that when you are on your own, shouting out is useless. When Tony Martin was jailed in April 2000 for killing the burglar with a shotgun, it made me think at the time that if the victim had been a woman, and the person had been repeatedly raped rather than burgled, and the woman had also shot the intruder who raped her dead, I am almost certain that it would be treated differently because: A) the woman would be seen as a victim; B) the woman wouldn't have gone to prison; and: C) the woman would have been granted anonymity from the media. Almost like different planets between the way they are both treated.

        I hope that I do not ever get into a situation where a violent armed burglary or robbery happens - for some reason, I might not live to tell the tale if it did happen.
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        • #19
          Re: Attempted burglary

          By the way, if my previous posting was a bit "strong", I would like to add that I feel very strongly about thieves and trespassers going onto one's own property, and I thought that it was a perfect opportunity to vent my spleen in the process. I have had a hard day with various things going wrong, hence my assertiveness. I shall move on after this.
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          • #20
            Re: Attempted burglary

            Originally posted by George 1978 View Post
            As the person is a stranger that obviously one does not know on one's property, it depends on whether they are armed or not, so to be on the safe side, I would say that it takes guts to do so - agree to disagree if necessary, Zincubus. I also believe that it does take stamina and courage to be in such an incident - the April 2008 burglary was the closest that I have experienced to something like that. All incidents are different even if the same crime is being committed. The fact of the matter is that I didn't invite the burglar in for a cup of tea and a McVitie's digestive - he (or she) was trespassing on private property and they were not invited in and play bailiff to take the family silver and the colour TV set. As a homeowner, one also has to play security guard to keep one's property intact.

            There is the "self-defence" angle and there is the "frustration" angle - Tony Martin represented the latter of the two mostly as he had been burgled over 30 times and he was at the end of his tether - I can understand how bitter and angry he was, and my sympathies were with him as because I also live on my own due to one thing and another, and I can understand the fact that when you are on your own, shouting out is useless. When Tony Martin was jailed in April 2000 for killing the burglar with a shotgun, it made me think at the time that if the victim had been a woman, and the person had been repeatedly raped rather than burgled, and the woman had also shot the intruder who raped her dead, I am almost certain that it would be treated differently because: A) the woman would be seen as a victim; B) the woman wouldn't have gone to prison; and: C) the woman would have been granted anonymity from the media. Almost like different planets between the way they are both treated.

            I hope that I do not ever get into a situation where a violent armed burglary or robbery happens - for some reason, I might not live to tell the tale if it did happen.
            I may be incorrect here but I always thought he was jailed because he shot the guy in the back when he was running away ... so not self defence

            If hed have shot the guy when he was coming towards him I presume hed have been fine ( self defence )


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            • #21
              Re: Attempted burglary

              Originally posted by Zincubus View Post
              I may be incorrect here but I always thought he was jailed because he shot the guy in the back when he was running away ... so not self defence

              If he’d have shot the guy when he was coming towards him I presume he’d have been fine ( self defence )
              I think that Tony Martin was frustrated at the lack of support from the police, hence taking the law into his own hands. It just shows you how society has become as a result of that - if he had a lot more support a lot earlier on, both in a home security and also a legal perspective, it probably wouldn't have come to that. For some reason I was always on his side and not the burglar's.

              A few years ago, one of the newspapers, probably the Grauniad (the online version at least) did a list of people who had used lethal weapons on robbers and burglars and ended up in the courts - a pattern emerged where the person wasn't prosecuted when the shotgun or knife wound was inflicted in the front, whilst they were prosecuted when it was inflicted in the back.

              I am so glad that where I live now, I have security by virtue of a communal door (although it is sometimes ajar because the last person didn't shut it properly - I always do), and living on the second floor - it is a piece of mind.
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