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[darren]

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just checked this its amazing.
only checked a few pages.

some amazung shots.


cheers SF.

This is also very good. Its an imaginative Dalek Graphic Novel/Comic...theres some great humour in it too, keep eyes peeled for those bits...refreshing too as it doesn't feature the Doctor and reminded me of the TV Century 21 DALEKS comic strip that I've seen in retro shops over the years...I also liked the individuality of the designs as well as to the Daleks having personalities - it got me thinking that as the rest of the fictional universe only see them as conquerors and oppressors or soldiers perhaps this would be a realistic representation of actual Dalek Society - the things the rest of the galaxy isn't privy to....especially them doing a few more 'normal things' or even chatting to one another about nothing in particular...

http://www.mechmaster.co.uk/cg-lair/...cemp-index.htm

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Did anyone even look at the wonderful comic, youtube uploads or even Peter Mckinstrys concept art? All that creativity.... I had thought it would create new avenues of comment...

[darren]

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yes i felt tennant was to human like.

after all the dr is not human although he is in appreance.
his brain is very different.[

QUOTE=tony ingram;167202]Unfortunately, I could never accept tennant as the Doctor. He seemed to me to beplaying a much too 'humanized' character, not a centuries old alien. Tom Baker, Colin Baker, Matt Smith (despite his youth), McCoy and most of the others could make me believe in the Doctor's alienness, but Tennant just seemed to be playing a thirty-odd romantic lead, which was just wrong. The whole Doctor/Rose relationship made no sense if you considered that he was supposed to be about a thousand years older than her and a totally different species from another planet. I also thought that last episode of his was almost all totally out of character for the Doctor, with all the whining and that pitiful "I don't want to go" at the end. That wasn't the Doctor. It completely robbed the character of his dignity. The other Doctors wouldn't have said that.[/QUOTE]

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I really like Eccleston as an actor, but his style of acting wasn't really 'in place' if you know what I mean? That character doesn't suit him. I liked Tennant though. Flamboyant but he could do the serious stuff when he wanted. The whole dying process he did was touching. The isolation he portrayed was excellent.



I'm not massively obsessed with it. I like watching it, but I wouldn't feel bad if I missed an episode. I don't particularly like the goofball characters they have. The Cordon episodes drove me insane. Tate could be unwatchable at times too.

I began to like Tate - made a change from the 'I fancy Dr 10 so much which was tiring to see with Rose and Martha....she was just a typical companion - there for the adventure. You've summed up my viewpoint of Dr Who in general - not obsessed but like watching it and no I also don't like the goofballs.

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This is also very good. Its an imaginative Dalek Graphic Novel/Comic...theres some great humour in it too, keep eyes peeled for those bits...refreshing too as it doesn't feature the Doctor and reminded me of the TV Century 21 DALEKS comic strip that I've seen in retro shops over the years...I also liked the individuality of the designs as well as to the Daleks having personalities - it got me thinking that as the rest of the fictional universe only see them as conquerors and oppressors or soldiers perhaps this would be a realistic representation of actual Dalek Society - the things the rest of the galaxy isn't privy to....especially them doing a few more 'normal things' or even chatting to one another about nothing in particular...

http://www.mechmaster.co.uk/cg-lair/...cemp-index.htm

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Eccelston was brilliant - the ordinary looking man in very nondescript clothing do extra-ordinary things. He had a very Tom Bakeresque quality to his time in the show but they updated it nicely with the tongue in cheek humour - times change and so had the show.

Tennant was brilliant - what? After over 950 years of life someones saying its not okay for the character to actually emote? Show some of his feelings? I think he'd be a rather strange being if he didn't understand concepts of love or emotions....The whole 9th/10th Doctor story arch was the backdrop of The Last Great Time War - the man had fought in a mutually destructive war between two immensely powerful species that led to their (seemingly) mutual destruction - more over, the Doctor made that happen. Of course he was lonely, unhappy, guilty and emotional...thats not 'human' thats good writing, good character development and also all the more interesting. Atop that, we got to see the power of a Timelord, his anger and at times his merciless, darker side.

Matt Smith? A new 'man' a new 'reset', perhaps the character is slowly coming to terms with the events of his previous lives 8 - 10, maybe the immense power of the destructive regeneration in the Tardis due to all that radiation helped really reset his mind to being a bit more 'alien' again - or maybe its just Moffat taking him on a different avenue to Davies 5 year story arch of The Last Great Time War....

Its time they still show more of the Dr's emotive range in current Moffat era - his anger, his disdain, his ability to fell Empires if need be for the good of others etc, but he also needs to show his fallability - hes not perfect, the writing is what lets Matt Smith down and there are plenty of Who fans who feel the same. Of all Matts stories, The Rebel Flesh ang Gangers realistically showed why he was cast - interesting it wasn't an overblown Moffat penned story.

Hope the links I posted were of interest.

Sly, your points are very well made mate

[tony ingram]

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Unfortunately, I could never accept tennant as the Doctor. He seemed to me to beplaying a much too 'humanized' character, not a centuries old alien. Tom Baker, Colin Baker, Matt Smith (despite his youth), McCoy and most of the others could make me believe in the Doctor's alienness, but Tennant just seemed to be playing a thirty-odd romantic lead, which was just wrong. The whole Doctor/Rose relationship made no sense if you considered that he was supposed to be about a thousand years older than her and a totally different species from another planet. I also thought that last episode of his was almost all totally out of character for the Doctor, with all the whining and that pitiful "I don't want to go" at the end. That wasn't the Doctor. It completely robbed the character of his dignity. The other Doctors wouldn't have said that.

[Sly]

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I don't have a high opinion of many of the Eccleston or Tennant stories but I can still see a lot more to them than laughs...

I really like Eccleston as an actor, but his style of acting wasn't really 'in place' if you know what I mean? That character doesn't suit him. I liked Tennant though. Flamboyant but he could do the serious stuff when he wanted. The whole dying process he did was touching. The isolation he portrayed was excellent.

I think the last two series' are excellent science fiction. I really can't see where you're coming from with this. I'm not overplaying it. Maybe I'm just watching it from a very different viewpoint to you. You seem to be missing a lot.

I'm not massively obsessed with it. I like watching it, but I wouldn't feel bad if I missed an episode. I don't particularly like the goofball characters they have. The Cordon episodes drove me insane. Tate could be unwatchable at times too.

That seems to be the case for a lot of people, the more casual viewers at least. Ask most people who were watching in 1973 if they remember The Green death, and you'll get a blank look. But everyone remembers "the one with the maggots".

Totally agree with this.

[tony ingram]

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I think the newer ones are. The older ones had their daft moments but the newer 00's ones seem strictly written for laughs. That's a comedy in my book.

I don't have a high opinion of many of the Eccleston or Tennant stories but I can still see a lot more to them than laughs, and I think the last two series' are excellent science fiction. I really can't see where you're coming from with this.

Witty? Occasionally, although I think you're overplaying that a bit. Wit is intellectual humour, most of the quips or one liners relate to whatever mumbojumo explanation they use to explain whatever fantasy just happened. It does sometimes do social commentary which is more a dig at our society than anything.

I'm not overplaying it. Maybe I'm just watching it from a very different viewpoint to you. You seem to be missing a lot.

I must be mistaken with the lighthouse episode, it definitely wasn't Tom Baker though. I had to ask who the actor was because I'd never seen him before. It was a lot darker, slower and relied more on story over special effects. The first Dr I remember watching it from was Jon Pertwee., even though those shows were aired 10 years before I was born. I don't remember any Tom Bakers episodes ever, I vaguely remember Peter Davidson. McCoy was the one I grew up with and used to watch on live tv as they aired.

I think it's weird that despite watching Dr Who over the years, I actually remember very little about the stories. It's more about the monsters than the stories they are wrapped up in for me.

That seems to be the case for a lot of people, the more casual viewers at least. Ask most people who were watching in 1973 if they remember The Green death, and you'll get a blank look. But everyone remembers "the one with the maggots".

[Sly]

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I think the newer ones are. The older ones had their daft moments but the newer 00's ones seem strictly written for laughs. That's a comedy in my book. Witty? Occasionally, although I think you're overplaying that a bit. Wit is intellectual humour, most of the quips or one liners relate to whatever mumbojumo explanation they use to explain whatever fantasy just happened. It does sometimes do social commentary which is more a dig at our society than anything.

I must be mistaken with the lighthouse episode, it definitely wasn't Tom Baker though. I had to ask who the actor was because I'd never seen him before. It was a lot darker, slower and relied more on story over special effects. The first Dr I remember watching it from was Jon Pertwee., even though those shows were aired 10 years before I was born. I don't remember any Tom Bakers episodes ever, I vaguely remember Peter Davidson. McCoy was the one I grew up with and used to watch on live tv as they aired.

I think it's weird that despite watching Dr Who over the years, I actually remember very little about the stories. It's more about the monsters than the stories they are wrapped up in for me.

[tony ingram]

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I remember watching a B&W (at least I think it was B&W) Dr Who and it absolutely freaked me out. It was William Hartnell, I can't remember much of it, I seem to remember they were in a lighthouse or something for some reason or another. It was low action, but think because of that it set a very tense atmosphere. It had freaky origins as a series, I see it now as more of a sci-fi comedy than anything.

This was pretty recent too, within the last five years.

"Sci-fi comedy"? Hardly. Doctor Who was often witty but rarely went as far as full-on comedy except in a couple of Hartnell historical stories. The only story ever set in a lighthouse, though, was The Horror of Fang Rock, a Tom Baker story from 1977.

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http://dalektricity.wordpress.com/20...supreme-dalek/ more close up images....

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And heres Peters own site, you can see his concept work/cross sections and even aborted concepts for the Dalek Supreme from the aforementioned story above.

http://www.petermckinstry.com/page9.htm

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FINAL PART...

This final parts extremely creative - theres a 'Battle Dalek' variant at the beginning to keep an eye out for. Its based on the conceptual illustrator Peter Mckinstry who did a lot of work for the new series seasons 2 - 5. He even did the Dalek Supreme in The Stolen Earth/Journeys End finale and this is what Lee the animator of this superb 'what if?' story took forward and tweaked about a bit...

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PART THREE: