Carry On, Carry On's

[Donald the Great]

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Betty Marsden said to Dilys Laye during filming that she always wanted to die with a glass of gin in her hand. In Denville Hall, a home for old actors, twenty four hours after arriving in July 1998, this is exactly what happened. Miss Marsden collapsed and died at the home's bar, whilst drinking gin. This is eerie.

shouuld have read "during filming on Camping"

[Donald the Great]

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So far as I am aware, Sid James didn't say much about his relationship with Barbara Windsor, and since he has long departed this life, we can't get his side of the story. I do wonder how much is fact and how much exageration.

On a similar note, did you ever see the documentary, Carry on Darkly, about the private lives of James, Williams, Hawtrey and Howard? It was made by Channel 4 in 1998. I recall seeing it upon transmission. It alleged that when James was pursueing Windsor, James and his wife came back from a night out to find that somebody had been in their house. Nothing had been stolen, but all the furniture had been rearranged, and the programme claimed it was a warning for James to stay away from Windsor. How much of the documentary is fact I have no idea. All the principals, James, Williams, Hawtrey and Howard, were long dead, so again we don't have their side of the story, nor can they defend themselves. To be honest, I found it a very depressing viewing experience.

Yes I did see this program. fascinating. Three homosexuals and one very much a hetrosexual. All with a great deal of sadness in their lives. It has been said that clowns are the saddest of human beings.

[Donald the Great]

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Betty Marsden said during filming to Dilys Laye that she always wanted to die with a glass of gin in her hand. In Denville Hall, a home for old actors, twenty four hours after arriving in July 1998, this is exactly what happened. Miss Marsden collapsed and died at the home's bar, whilst drinking gin. This is eerie.

[staffslad]

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I saw it. Agree all did excellent charactizations.. special bloke who played Williams. I have seen the James actor in various episodic shows.. namely whodunnits. His name eludes me for present. Hell James pestered Babs to distraction before she finally relented and had their affair. Expected one of the mob to pay James a visit. Did it happen it real life? Wonder James was not bumped off by Babs husband.

So far as I am aware, Sid James didn't say much about his relationship with Barbara Windsor, and since he has long departed this life, we can't get his side of the story. I do wonder how much is fact and how much exageration.

On a similar note, did you ever see the documentary, Carry on Darkly, about the private lives of James, Williams, Hawtrey and Howard? It was made by Channel 4 in 1998. I recall seeing it upon transmission. It alleged that when James was pursueing Windsor, James and his wife came back from a night out to find that somebody had been in their house. Nothing had been stolen, but all the furniture had been rearranged, and the programme claimed it was a warning for James to stay away from Windsor. How much of the documentary is fact I have no idea. All the principals, James, Williams, Hawtrey and Howard, were long dead, so again we don't have their side of the story, nor can they defend themselves. To be honest, I found it a very depressing viewing experience.

[Donald the Great]

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Has anyone seen the TV film that was made some time ago about the relationship between Sid James and Babs Windsor? I think it was called Cor Blimey. There were some obvious errors in the chronology of the Carry On series, but I thought the actors portraying James, Windsor, Williams, Hawtrey etc did a pretty good job. Anyone have any thoughts on it?

I saw it. Agree all did excellent charactizations.. special bloke who played Williams. I have seen the James actor in various episodic shows.. namely whodunnits. His name eludes me for present. Hell James pestered Babs to distraction before she finally relented and had their affair. Expected one of the mob to pay James a visit. Did it happen it real life? Wonder James was not bumped off by Babs husband.

[staffslad]

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Has anyone seen the TV film that was made some time ago about the relationship between Sid James and Babs Windsor? I think it was called Cor Blimey. There were some obvious errors in the chronology of the Carry On series, but I thought the actors portraying James, Windsor, Williams, Hawtrey etc did a pretty good job. Anyone have any thoughts on it?

[Danniella]

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Joshua Fiddler of course. Sid comments while paying Fiddler "dont know if anybody ever told you but your name certainly suits you"

It certainly did suit him the way he kept charging them money when he saw Sids notes!

[Donald the Great]

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Plus Peter Butterworth's character, Joshua Fiddler. I think James comments on his appropriate name at one point.

Joshua Fiddler of course. Sid comments while paying Fiddler "dont know if anybody ever told you but your name certainly suits you"

[Danniella]

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Plus Peter Butterworth's character, Joshua Fiddler. I think James comments on his appropriate name at one point.

My all time fave, Carry On Camping! Mr Fiddler went for a P!

[staffslad]

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Carry On Camping probably contains the most uses of a metaphor, with characters including Sid Boggle (James), Kenneth Soaper (Williams), Charlie Muggins (Hawtrey), Bernie Lugg (Bresslaw), Joan Fussey (Sims), Anthea Meeks (Laye) and Babs (Windsor). think about it Nugs.

Plus Peter Butterworth's character, Joshua Fiddler. I think James comments on his appropriate name at one point.

[Donald the Great]

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Carry On Camping probably contains the most uses of a metaphor, with characters including Sid Boggle (James), Kenneth Soaper (Williams), Charlie Muggins (Hawtrey), Bernie Lugg (Bresslaw), Joan Fussey (Sims), Anthea Meeks (Laye) and Babs (Windsor). think about it Nugs.

[staffslad]

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Talbot Rothwell & Sid Colin, who scripted most of the golden age Carry Ons also wrote for Up Pompeii, the the similarity isn't surprising, 1 or 2 Carry On Regulars turn up in episodes, like Barbara Windsor as Nymphomania.

I was thinking of the 'Up' films, but I think you are right extending it to the Up Pompeii series.

[staffslad]

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Yes I have heard of khazi/khasi.. a Cockney expression isnt it. Alf Garnett used it often in TDDUP if not mistaken.

I am not sure about its derivation. Yes, Alf used it in the Till Death series. I had assumed it had an asian or african origin from its sound, but I have nothing to back that up.

[Richard1978]

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Just thinking about the Carry Ons, particularly the later ones where innuendo and double entendres were more to the fore. Does anyone else consider that the Frankie Howard 'Up' series of films, Up Pompeii, Up the Chastity Belt and Up the Front have a bit of a Carry On feel to them? I would also put the trio of 'On the Buses' films also into that category, though possibly more tentatively. I mean, if there had been a Carry on Busman made in the late 60s/early 70s, can anyone else see Sid James playing the Stan Butler character?

Talbot Rothwell & Sid Colin, who scripted most of the golden age Carry Ons also wrote for Up Pompeii, the the similarity isn't surprising, 1 or 2 Carry On Regulars turn up in episodes, like Barbara Windsor as Nymphomania.

[Donald the Great]

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There is also the word khasi or khazi for a toilet. Remember in Khyber Kenneth Williams character was called the Khasi?

Yes I have heard of khazi/khasi.. a Cockney expression isnt it. Alf Garnett used it often in TDDUP if not mistaken.